Hm.

Jan. 20th, 2004 09:24 am
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Poly hasn't been a big part of my life lately. That is, it's faded into a background condition that I don't think about, like I don't think much about, oh, using my arm or brushing my teeth.

Little things may have been accumulating, though... we're definitely slipped into a more individualistic sort of poly just lately, where we spend time in pairs rather than as a group more often than not. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

This seems to be sort of a pattern lately -- little things happen, and a lot of little things happen to equal a rather big change, then I feel bad and have to call the whole thing and talk it out verbally. I'm good at adjusting to nonverbal things that are small, but when I consider something big to be happening -- and especially when it happens, I accept it nonverbally, and then it seems to reverse, I get very confused.

I wish I had better nonverbal coping mechanisms, so I didn't need to get everyone together to talk so often. There's not so much time for that anymore, and even less for that plus the relationships too.

I wish I didn't form expectations based on nonverbal stuff that happens, or to be more honest, I wish that if something's been happening for awhile and is going to change that someone would warn me verbally first. I'm not so good with unanticipated change. I know that if it's unanticipated then probably I'm not the only one being surprised by it.

I wish I wasn't so lonely so much of the time. It doesn't seem to matter, mono or poly, I end up feeling alone and, not unwanted, but ininvolved, half-included but not fully, some of the time. I'm not sure whether this is a normal state, whether it's just something to get used to, whether it's an accurate depiction of outside stuff, or whether it's something internal to me. I don't understand it very well, and people who are surrounded by other people don't seem to talk about being lonely so often. I don't know if that's social expectation, or if they just aren't lonely.

I miss you right now, you being all the people who respond to this sort of thing in an interactive way, who aren't just my own words coming back at me. You're appreciated.

Date: 2004-01-20 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Hmm... I'm aware of the lonely feeling.. I could be with a group of friends, yet still feel like I'm out on the fringe.. Not fully integrated.. Struggling to be heard.. Struggling to talk...

Feeling alone in a group of people is not uncommon for me.. It's annoying as heck.. Feel like I'm not on the same wavelength as everyone else.. Missing something, but what, I'm not sure.. I wish I could be happy, and not feel alone all the time, instead of part of the time..

I also have issues w/ my emotions at times.. So that has some effect.. I sometimes seem distant.. I don't mean to be.. It just kinda happens.. And, I don't know how to bring myself back when that happens... Somewhere, lost on a tangent..

Never the less, I still try to find new friends, and hopefully new loves...

Date: 2004-01-20 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Also, if you ever want to talk about it.. Tho, my amount of advise may not be much.. My IM info is in my user info..

Date: 2004-01-20 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthmaus.livejournal.com
Little things may have been accumulating, though... we're definitely slipped into a more individualistic sort of poly just lately, where we spend time in pairs rather than as a group more often than not. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I prefer to be more of a cohesive group. Those have been some of the nicest times. However, this could be another one of those things that comes and goes in cycles -- what do you think? Or, it could be a side effect of the recently worked out Schedule. We shall see.

Love you, sweet thing.

loneliness

Date: 2004-01-20 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donotgogently.livejournal.com
i understand what you are saying. and i don't know the answer. but i do know that you are a valuable person. you are unique, special and loved by many. i know that for sure. you are honest with yourself and others and that is really all we have at the end of the day.

smell the soil. plant a seed. watch it grow. spring is pushing at the bulbs and little green thumbs should be looking for special seeds to plant.

DoNotGoGently

Date: 2004-01-20 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estrellada.livejournal.com
Loneliness is more common than you think.

For me, it has to do with feeling valued and connected. When I can't find it within myself to feel values, or to connect with others (it's so easy to forget that connection isn't just them reaching out to you, it's you reaching out as well and meeting in the middle) I need to find ways to be at peace with myself, whole and engaged in whatever I choose.

But, yes, we all get lonely.

Loneliness, I find, isn't a set of circumstances, it's also a series of internal conditions about feeling understood, known, and welcome. These three qualities have as much to do with how one approaches situations as the situations themselves.

Date: 2004-01-20 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_locke/
*ponders having more events so he can convince you to come be couch-candy*

Date: 2004-01-21 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverseastar.livejournal.com
The times I've felt lonely, in restrospect, were related to a more internal process. Internally I felt different and weird and misunderstood. It took years of hard work to feel I had control on most of my inward states of mind. Slowly i began to love and understand myself and that sense of disconnection slipped away.

Not sure any of this will help, but yeah, I've been there too. *hugs*

Date: 2004-01-21 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
I think everyone has issues with their emotions sometimes :)

I find that there are a very select few people that I feel seamlessly integrated with, and the rest of them sort of need to hit a good time for it to work. I try to keep those select few around me.

It's funny that you should say that, because I notice that people read nearly every emotion that I have (tired, angry, sad, needy, worried, irritated, amused) as me being distant. It's something we've learnt to work around, but it's very strange all the same.

New friends and new loves are always welcome, time permitting. I'm maybe on a bit of a search now, but it's so hard for me to find compatable people... or maybe my standards are too restricting, and I need to reconsider them. Hmm.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
I'm not an IMer :)

Nimf/Celestrae on FV.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
That doesn't sound quite like what's going on here. I think I need to let go of the idea that I can feel close to everyone all the time whenever I want to. I enjoy time alone, and freedom that way, and I need to take it and enjoy it when it's given me rather than feel bad because it wasn't my idea in the first place.

This post was the start of a turning point there. I cried about a minute, wrote this, and then got on with my life and didn't feel bad.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
Just no more magic, please! ;)

May bring a book and find a couch Saturday, not sure yet. :>

Date: 2004-01-21 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_locke/
*laugh* ahh. overdosing a little? Being in a quad is really good unless all your partners are *obsessed*. heh.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
This one's not quite like that. I know these people care for me and find me important, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they're not there right when I need them.

I'm not running up against feeling unwelcome. I'm running up against logistical difficulties.

But the solution is similar. I need to find other engaging things and just deal with the fact that I can't always have the first on my list of priorities of things to do.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
AAARRRGH! You should see the kitchen table at the other place.

*cries*

I went out with this friend Trevor on the weekend. It's the first time in weeks I've gone for several hours without someone mentioning magic in some way, I swear!

Re: loneliness

Date: 2004-01-21 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
Seeds... nursery... oooh, look at that bank balance!

Hm. I think I know what I'm doing today. :)

My crocuses are coming up, by the way, just an inch or so up past the soil. I can't wait till they flower.

And thank you for reminding me. :) It was what I needed.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_locke/
Don't look at me, my wife wants a magic card tatoo for her birthday.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
One of my biggest faults is my inability to see cycles when they spring up on me. I see the trend as an inevitable one that will just keep going in that direction, rather than around and around. Well, except for a couple that I spent a couple of years breaking my head on first.

The schedule definitely does involve another day split off rather than grouped.

We'll see. :) I hadn't considered that it might spin around, and if it does like that then I'll be very happy. I like it both ways as long as I don't have to give up on the other.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
You know, you were the one that started them all on this in the first place...

I'm not sure why all this sympathy is on tap now. ;)

Date: 2004-01-21 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_locke/
*grin* Yes. I must admit I have a certain pleasure in that.

You mean you're sympathy is currently tapped so you can't use it until your next upkeep?

Date: 2004-01-21 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
I know I'm on a bit of a search myself.. I'm just not being too proactive about it.. I've got one crush now that I'm hoping will go away (basically, stop being a crush, and just settle down to a caring friendship), since at this moment, I know she's not interested, and more then likely, not poly.. And, as for standards.. I guess mine might be too restricting -- net result, I haven't done any dating in a long while..

Date: 2004-01-21 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
Oh, Gods. I don't know anything about the game mechanics, still.

Last night, though, we're sitting around talking about Saturday and I say, 'can I tap someone out, if I'm feeling bad and need them to come snuggle with me' and everyone started laughing. :P

Date: 2004-01-21 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Jyuusan on FV.. Sometimes I do run EQIM when I'm not playing or at work..

Date: 2004-01-21 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
I didn't know there was an EQIM.

I just can't stand all the people on IMs. A random A/S/L on any IM is almost enough to get me to delete it immediately, and if it advertises to me... or doesn't run on linux... *sigh*

Date: 2004-01-21 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
I somehow managed to get into this quad situation without much real dating. I'm thinking it might be time to try the dating part. I figure if I'm 'just dating' them, when why worry too much about whether I think they're absolutely compatible?

And I have one of those too, or rather, I don't think he's interested, an dI'm not sure if I am. Heh.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Thankfully, being a guy, I don't get the random A/S/L (which, I hate to say, I have no clue what that is)..

The EQIM allows you to log into the server and into your character.. And then allows you to talk to other people or channels (but not guild channel)... At least, you know who you are talking to via EQIM to some degree. Not some random person, and also not some faked account (as you find on ICQ)...

Date: 2004-01-21 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
I don't sign up as female on those things! And I set myself to 102 years old. Even as a neuter, even with that age, people randomly message looking for the nearest approximation to sex with complete strangers they can manage. I don't understand!

A/S/L means age/sex/location... basically, if I talk to you can I have a realistic fantasy that you'll come sleep with me iRL. Okay, so some of that info /is/ a good starting point for conversations, but still...

Hm. I might look into that EQIM thing.

Date: 2004-01-21 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Of course.. If you do decide to date more.. Other factors come to play.. Normal close distance.. Is long distance acceptable.. How far of a distance is to far.. Availability/Scheduling..

One of these days, I might overcome my shyness and actually ask people out.. Until then, at least I can make new friends and go from there.. My other problem, I can't read body language.. And I can sometimes miss the obvious.. I can't tell if someone is even interested in me unless they tell me.. And, even if I do see the sign, I'll go all shy and not be sure how to inquire further. Life, isn't it fun...

Date: 2004-01-21 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Ahh.. Now I do.. I think there's better way to spark conversations.. I try to find people w/ similar (sp?) interests and go from there..

As for EQIM -- http://eqlive.station.sony.com/eqim.jsp

Date: 2004-01-21 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seeker9.livejournal.com
Just being curious... You think you have a crush, but not sure if you're interested?

As to whether the person is interested or not.. Maybe hang out together and talk about things.. Maybe steer the conversation to areas where you can find out more about this person.. It's one way to find out if you are interested in him or not..

Re: loneliness

Date: 2004-01-22 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donotgogently.livejournal.com
i may have some seeds here that i've collected. some poppies for sure. want some?

:-)

(one who understands green thumbs)

Date: 2004-01-22 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverseastar.livejournal.com
I was actually relating to the feeling, not the reason for the feeling.

Namaste.

Date: 2004-01-22 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenstorm.livejournal.com
Aha. Sometimes I get so tangled up I don't understand the difference. :)

Sometimes I wonder just how similar any of our feelings are, but I guess we'll never know...

Date: 2004-01-22 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverseastar.livejournal.com
A feeling is such an intangible thing to describe so you may be right. Then again, I believe we all contain all possibilities.

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